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« Отговор #1170 -: 03 Декември 2017, 18:11:42 »

Здравей, Вожде! Поразрових се набързо из wiki. Стигам до следния извод - за летящите чинии - разработки на немски и/или италиански инженери по време на ВСВ - няма никакви разсекретени документи, всички описания са в границите на фантазията и митовете. Bellonxo най-вероятно е погрешно изписано име на италианския инженер Джузепе Белуцо (Giuseppe Belluzzo), погрешно изписван и като Белонцо, който работил над този проект през 1942-45 г. През 1942-43 г. немският инженер Rudolf Schriever (Рудолф  Шривер) също е работил над такава летяща чиния, но всички чертежи и документи се загубили към края на войната.
Някакъв немски инженер Андреас Еп твърдял, че е участвал в разработването на 15 такива чинии.
Die Nazis sollen neben der „Glocke“ noch eine regelrechte fliegende Untertasse entwickelt haben. Sie wurde 1943 in Prag entwickelt und hieß „Schriever-Habermohl-Modell“ oder auch „Bellonzo-Schriever-Miethe-Scheibe“.
Както се вижда от горния пасаж, летящата чиния е била кръстена или модел Шривер-Хабермол или Белонцо/грешно изписано/-Шривер-Мите. Мисля, че трябва да се изпише Белуцо. Засега толкова, ще поровя още малко, пак ще пиша, ако открия друго. Сърдечни поздрави!
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« Отговор #1171 -: 03 Декември 2017, 18:28:23 »

намерих и на английски:
Rudolf Lusar's book  contains less than two pages of text in the section headed 'Flying Saucers', but its influence has been quite remarkable. Here, in full, is the text of that brief section:

"Flying saucers have been whirling round the world since 1947, suddenly turning up here and there, soaring in and darting off again at unprecedented speed with flames encircling the rim of the saucer's disc. They have been located by radar, pursued by fighters and yet nobody has so far succeeded in establishing the existence of such a 'flying saucer' or managed to ram or shoot one down. The public, even the experts, are perplexed by an ostensible mystery or a technical miracle. But slowly the truth is coming out that even during the war German research workers and scientists made the first moves in the direction of these ''flying saucers''. They built and tested such near-miraculous contraptions. Experts and collaborators in this work confirm that the first projects, called "flying discs", were undertaken in 1941. The designs for these ''flying discs'' were drawn up by the German experts Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe, and the Italian Bellonzo.

"Habermohl and Schriever chose a wide-surface ring which rotated round a fixed, cupola-shaped cockpit. The ring consisted of adjustable wing-discs which could be brought into appropriate position for the take-off' or horizontal flight. respectively. Miethe developed a discus-shaped plate of a diameter of 42m in which adjustable jets were inserted. Schriever and Habermohl, who worked in Prague, took off with the first "flying disc'' on 14 February 1945. Within three minutes they climbed to an altitude of I2,400m and reached a speed of 2,000 km/h in horizontal flight. It was intended ultimately to achieve speeds of 4,000 km/h.

"Extensive preliminary tests and research were necessary before construction could be started. Because of the great speed and the extraordinary heat stress, special heat-resisting materials had to be found. The development, which cost millions, was almost completed at the end of the war. The then existing models were destroyed but the plant in Breslau where Miethe worked fell into the hands of the Russians who took all the material and the experts to Siberia, where work on these "flying saucers" is being successfully continued.

"Schriever escaped from Prague in time; Habermohl, however, is probably in the Soviet Union, as nothing is known of his fate. The former designer Miethe is in the United States and, as far as is known, is building "flying saucers" for the United States and Canada at the A. V. Roe works. Years ago, the U.S. Air Force received orders not to fire at "flying saucers". This is an indication of the existence of American "flying saucers" which must not be endangered. The flying shapes so far observed are stated to have diameters of 16, 42, 45 and 75 m respectively and to reach speeds of up to 7,000 km/h. In 1952 "flying saucers" were definitely established over Korea and Press reports said they were seen also during the NATO manoeuvres in Alsace in the autumn of 1954. It can no longer be disputed that "flying saucers" exist. But the fact that their existence is still being denied, particularly in America, because United States developments have not progressed far enough to match the Soviet Union's, gives food for thought. There also seems some hesitation to recognise that these novel "flying saucers" are far superior to conventional aircraft - including modern turbo-jet machines - that they surpass their flying performance, load capacity and maneouvrability and thereby make them obsolete."

Schriever later said the Allied advance into Germany put an end to his "flying disc" experiments, with all equipment and designs lost or destroyed. However, a Georg Klein told the postwar German press that he had witnessed the Schriever disc, or something like it, test-flown in February 1945.

Schriever reportedly died in the late 1950s and, according to a 1975 issue of "Luftfahrt International", notes and sketches related to a large flying saucer were found in his effects. The periodical also stated that Schriever maintained until his death that his original saucer concept must have been made operational prior to war’s end.

This possibility is acknowledged by British author Brian Ford, who wrote, "There are supposed to have been 'flying saucers' too, which were near the final stages of development, and indeed it may be that some progress was made toward the construction of small, disc-like aircraft, but the results were destroyed, apparently before they fell into enemy hands."

These accounts would seem to be corroborated by a CIA report dated 27 May 1954. As reported in Nick Redfern’s 1998 book, "The FBI Files: The FBI’s UFO Top Secrets Exposed", the document stated, "A German newspaper (not further identified) recently published an interview with Georg Klein, famous German engineer and aircraft expert, describing the experimental construction of 'flying saucers' carried out by him from 1941 to 1945. Klein stated he was present when, in 1945, the first piloted ‘flying saucer’ took off and reached a speed of 1,300 miles per hour within three minutes.

"The experiments resulted in three designs - one designed by Miethe was a disk- shaped aircraft, 135 feet in diameter, which did not rotate; another, designed by Habermohl and Schriever, consisted of a large rotating ring, in the center of which was a round, stationary cabin for the crew. When the Soviets occupied Prague, the Germans destroyed every trace of the ‘flying saucer’ project and nothing more was heard of Habermohl and his assistants.

"Schriever recently died in Bremen, where he had been living. In Breslau, the Soviets managed to capture one of the saucers built by Miethe, who escaped to France. He is reportedly in the USA at present."

Another candidate for inventor of a German UFO is the Austrian scientist Victor Schauberger, who, after being kidnapped by the Nazis, reportedly designed a number of "flying discs" in 1940, using a flameless and smokeless form of electromagnetic propulsion called “diamagnetism.”

Schauberger reportedly worked for the U.S. government for a short time after the war before dying of natural causes. Prior to his death, he was quoted as saying, "They took everything from me. Everything." No one knows for certain if he meant the Nazis or the Allies.
That someone was flying highly unconventional disc-shaped objects shortly after World War II was made plain by the now-public comments of U.S. Army Lieutenant General Nathan Twining, then in charge of the Army Air Forces’ Air Material Command (AMC).

In mid-1947, two years after the war ended, “flying saucers” were being reported both in Europe and America. General Twining wrote that the "phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

He went on to describe attributes of such discs as having, "extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend[ing] belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely."

Allowing a small glimpse into the reality of such radical technology, Twining concluded, "It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge -  provided extensive detailed development is undertaken - to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object [described above] which would be capable of an approximate range of 7,000 miles at subsonic speeds."

If technical knowledge in the 1940s was advanced enough to construct a workable flying saucer, the public was never to hear about it. Beginning in the late 1940s, a national security "lid" was placed on the subject.
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« Отговор #1172 -: 03 Декември 2017, 19:29:11 »

Благодаря ти be
Но точно Bellonxo си е. Ето и архивна снимка на част от чертежа на тази летяща чиния.
Просто питах как звучи на немски, за да го напиша. Май ще го оставя Белонцо, а ако някой колега знаещ немски напише как звучи на този език ще го сменя.
А филмчето е интересно. Наистина много малко неща се знаят за опитите на немците с " летящите чинии ".
Предполагам, че до към 17 декември ще завърша превода, че нещо много мудно върви.
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